griosek
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RE: RN22 i odblokowanie ECU - wszelkie informacje.
no coż, parametrami i nazwą to chyba najprostszy sposób... Ja jak kupiłem używkę PCIII to były wgrane mapy z identycznymi nazwami jak te ze strony producenta i wszystkie parametry w tej tabelce były takie same, więc wniosek prosty .
Trochę zabawy, ale da się to wszystko sprawdzić...
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2015-12-01, 11:16 AM |
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NoExpert
Amerykanin
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RE: RN22 i odblokowanie ECU - wszelkie informacje.
I think MAD666 mentioned people should be able to flash their ECU and if after 7 days they don't like it they can have it flashed back and get their money back.
FTE is setup in such a way that you have to pay for each license and when you flash an ECU a license number is assigned to that ECU. There is no undoing this, once it happens, it is for life. FTE does not offer refunds for purchased licences that are used. So, in short, if a company offered this, they could stand to lose a lot of money since they would be paying for nonrefundable licenses and then having to refund money to customers if they didn't like the results. Very bad business model.
I have the FTE software and the flashing setup for my bike, in fact I'm going to flash my ECU in about an hour with some updated throttle maps (STD, A and B mode). MAD666 does have a point with not gaining much from flashing an EU bike, it's true, you won't get a sudden boost in power like the US models by removing the restrictions. You can get a much better feeling throttle though as well as making custom throttle maps (if you have the software and setup). There are also other small changes that can be made to help smooth the bike out. You can also load your fuel data directly to the ECU, no piggyback or add ons needed. You can use a Cordona strain gauge quick shifter plugged directly into the ECU and edit the cutoff table. You can have the bike start in A mode or STD mode.
What I recommend is downloading the software from FTECU.com and creating an FTE account (might need a US email account such as gmail or live, pick any US zip code for it like Riverside, CA 92503). Once you have an account and the software, go into the file manager and download some ECU images and play with them. You can see what's editable in the software and what's not. I did this for a few weeks before deciding to buy the setup myself.
A single license costs $100 USD, if you buy in bulk, like most shops who offer flash services do, they charge $800 USD for 10 licenses, or $80 each.
If you guys want, I can post up screen shots of different maps for the RN22/RN23 as well as some comparisons.
Just a quick question, how much does a new PCV with quick shifter and ignition modules cost in Poland?
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RE: RN22 i odblokowanie ECU - wszelkie informacje.
(2015-12-24, 07:40 PM)NoExpert napisał(a): Just a quick question, how much does a new PCV with quick shifter and ignition modules cost in Poland?
Hi NoExpert;
I have a lot of respect to your opinions because they are well balanced. But I cannot agree with you about your "self tuning" philosophy.
Most of motorcycle riders (not only on this forum) have no or only a little knowlegde and understanding about how are fuel injection and ignition systems engineered and programmed. Not even mentioning ETV, EXUP or closed loop....
So as soon as one has no knowledge and gets a tool to modify fuel/ignition maps a risk of damaging an engine grows rapidly.
A year or two ago there was a man on other forum who was offering ECU reflashes. His "career" ended suddenly when two engines blew up what caused a lot of problems. Repair costs were very high.
Conclusion: we all like to have power and feel like the God. But a temptation to get more power can easily result in a death of engine (or ECU).
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2015-12-24, 10:40 PM |
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NoExpert
Amerykanin
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RE: RN22 i odblokowanie ECU - wszelkie informacje.
I agree, it's a tool to be used by those with some understanding of the system. However, do you agree that the same amount of damage can be done with a PCV? Run the bike too lean and you will burn up the motor. Same principal, different execution.
If a person is competent with a PCV, they will likely be competent with the FTE system, once they learn the software of course. There is also the ability to import PCV maps directly into the fuel tables. From what I've seen, most people run the generic PCV maps, myself included, till I get my data logger system.
Flashing the ECU is not without risk, this is why I suggest people download the software and try to understand it first, if it's too much (can be very overwhelming) step back and go another route. That's the beauty of having options, we can buy what we're comfortable with. I was originally going to have a place flash my ECU for me, they want $115 plus shipping, not too bad. But then I realized it was a generic tune and would still need a PCV to refine it for my bike. The PCV system plus auto tune plus a quick shifter was a couple hundred dollars more than the FTE software, so I investigated it. After playing with it and talking to the guys at FTE (they're about 40 minutes away from me) I made my decision to get the FTE software.
It's really a personal decision, buy what you feel best about, be it the FTE system, a PCV, having your ECU flashed by a third party or leaving it stock. I'm not going to spread fear regarding any of the systems, just be cautious with what you choose and make sure you understand it and the risks involved.
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2015-12-24, 11:16 PM |
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NoExpert
Amerykanin
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RE: RN22 i odblokowanie ECU - wszelkie informacje.
I can't figure out how to post photos here, so here's a link to an album I made of some of the FTE data I have screen shots of:
https://picasaweb.google.com/10137362417...directlink
It shows a lot of the available areas you can adjust and most of the available maps as well as some that are displaying the comparison feature in the software between 09-11 and 12-14 RN22/RN23 ignition and fuel maps.
I've made a few changes to my personal ECU image this week trying to sort out some issues. The bike is hard to start in the cold (happens below about 4* C), so made some adjustments to try to resolve that. A friend also has this issue, so if I fix it on my bike using FTE, he's going to buy the FTE setup to fix it on his, also. Another area I'm trying to smooth out is a flat spot around 6000 RPM's in the MAP vs RPM map, almost have it resolved. Last thing I've been working on is setting up linear throttle maps for STD, A and B modes. Will do more testing next week to see how it's all working out in the 0-7% range. I don't stray too far from stock with my fuel and ignition settings, don't need to damage the engine.
If you want more specific screen shots or anything, let me know.
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